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gifteddante



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:03 pm    Post subject: I'm Really F$%king Pissed off!!!!!! ATTN. CLAIRE Reply with quote

Went down to Woolworths today to buy the new single and they don't have it in yet!!! "Try on Monday" she said!!!

This has happened with every TDC single I have bought from Woolies - WHY?

If a relase date is.....well....released surely you can buy the single on that date, and surely it affects chart positions if you can't buy it from it's release date.

Can any one advise?

I'm writing a letter of complaint to Woolies today, just to see what their response is, It's not as if they are a small shop is it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for it!!!...

alas it's been the case for so long that record shops effectively control the chart by limiting what you can actually buy, either by not stocking certain songs or only stocking limited quantities.

Thankfully internet shops like amazon (etc) are helping reverse this trend...

But the age old problem that certain record shops won't stock a single unless it's in the chart (!!!!??) is one of my biggest grievances, that and booking fees (you have to pay to pay), oh and coat hangers...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woolies generally only stock singles that they think will sell. It's a problem of shelf space and predicting consumer demand; the belief obviously was that AF wasn't going to be bought by the mainstream public so they didn't stock it. With the advent of HMVs and Virgins over the country this isn't too much of a problem, but as SMI said it does hamper sales.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benny J wrote:
but as SMI said...


SmallMorldIncident?

Benny J wrote:
it does hamper sales


unlike Millets, which does sell hampers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benny J wrote:
it does hamper sales


SWI / SMI wrote:
unlike Millets, which does sell hampers.


LOL!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: I'm Really F$%king Pissed off!!!!!! ATTN. CLAIRE Reply with quote

gifteddante wrote:
Went down to Woolworths today to buy the new single and they don't have it in yet!!! "Try on Monday" she said!!


If they haven't got it now, they never will. Woolies just aren't stocking it! Shame, that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched a TV show only a few years ago, that was about how to sell a hit single, and I think contrived to create one. Well, I remember clinching sales at Woolworths was crucial to the singles success, and much time and effort was placed in persuading Woolworths to stock it. Once they agreed the success of the single was pretty much guarenteed.

Well, what rotters they are not to stock Neil. Now I know why I couldn't find Absent Friends the album anywhere in there when I went to buy it. In my naivety I thought it might be a roaring success and had sold out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Woolies did sell the album, and they sold Billy Bird. It's just this they seem to have decided not to sell - maybe based on sales of the others?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also got the album and CHBB from woolies!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The single on Amazon is now at sales ranking 261 (out of all music, albums included) - the other day it was at 14,000. I think everyone's realised that not many high street shops are selling it and have all rushed onto the net to get it instead.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I think that last post made me sound really boring.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Nude wrote:
Hmm, I think that last post made me sound really boring.


Informative, my dear, not boring. Facts are always useful.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, The DC album must have been genuinely sold out then... surely an incentive to stock the singles. I had to go to HMV to get it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Nude wrote:
Hmm, I think that last post made me sound really boring.


Perish the thought, Mr Nude. If you're boring, then I am too, because I read the post with avid interest.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm pleased then. Also, the album seems to be doing well on Amazon. I'd be genuinely interested to hear actual sales figures for the album, as we all know internet sales aren't counted in the chart. Maybe it's done better than we thought. It's a shame such things always seem to be kept secret!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Nude wrote:
we all know internet sales aren't counted in the chart


internet sales ARE counted in the charts...

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Sales information is supplied by 5,600 retailers that are members of the Official Charts Universe. This is approximately 99% of the total UK singles market, 95% of the total UK albums market and 80% of the total UK video market. These retailers include all the major high street chains such as HMV, WH Smith, Virgin, VShop/Our Price, and Woolworth's, supermarkets, such as Tesco and Asda, as well as approximately 600 independent shops and a number of Internet Retailers. Every shop is fitted with either an EPOS or Epson machine. The barcode of every record/video that is purchased is downloaded direct to Millward Brown, the research agency commissioned by The Official UK Charts Company to compile the charts.

The raw sales processed are weighted up from a 'sample' 4,700+ stores to the universe of 5,600 shops. This produces the Defined Universe Sales figure. In practise the industry prefers to estimate how the whole market has performed, so 'multipliers' are used, which are average guide figures calculated periodically for each format and applied to the D.U.S. figure to give an approximated total market figure


who sounds boring now...

(answer : smi)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, that one was definitely very dull Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't bought my copies yet. I'll look for some tomorrow. Wish me luck. Where did you buy yours Mr Nude?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cabbage patch girl wrote:
Yup, that one was definitely very dull


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A number of internet retailers? I wonder who they are... but thanks for the info SWI!

AP, I got mine at Virgin - the only place in town doing them as far as I can tell!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Nude wrote:
A number of internet retailers? I wonder who they are... but thanks for the info SWI!

AP, I got mine at Virgin - the only place in town doing them as far as I can tell!


Thanks. Mind you other than Woolworths that is the only place!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having said that, even Virgin only seemed to have two copies of each when I went in on Monday morning, so I had half of their visible stock. Hurry hurry hurry!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wherever I live (and I've lived a few places), I always seem to find that the only place that sells singles within a reasonable distance is Woolworths. So I'm more dependent on them than I'd like to be. I was just thinking the other day that the independent high street record store seems to be just about extinct these days, killed off by the big chains and supermarkets, I assume...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmallWorldIncident wrote:
cabbage patch girl wrote:
Yup, that one was definitely very dull




Oh no! Don't cry! Now I feel mean Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why do they call them "high street" stores?

(very boring answers are acceptable, since i've found every "boring" post on here quite interesting too)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because typically in small towns and villages the road with the shops on is called, literally, "High Street". Not in every case, obviously, but in enough for the the prefix high street- to find common usage. Now if you're going to ask me how that particular road-naming convention started in the first place, then I have no idea Smile

How boring was that?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drykid wrote:
Now if you're going to ask me how that particular road-naming convention started in the first place, then I have no idea Smile

How boring was that?


it's probably something to do with a lot of towns being built on hills or higher ground for security reasons (see the enemy coming and all that) and I guess the main road was therefore the road that led up to the centre of the town which was .. er.. high .. and... then...zzzzzzzzz yawn... zzzzzz...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to HMV yesterday and they had nothing at all. In the usual DC section all they had was 1 copy of Absent Friends (the album) and 1 copy of Regeneration. Crazy : )

Virgin around the corner got my money that day, although I had to order the 7".

Ah well.. you can't have everything : )
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear all this. We've made the label aware of the problems some of you have had getting the single. Contacting the shops in question directly is also a good idea as they do decide what they're going to stock after all. I hope you all find ways to get the single soon!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? I live on a small island (of 70,000 people). We have one "high" street, where our HMV is and I got all three singles/formats, with a few of each left on the shelves.

Wanna see something really boring?:

http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-hig2.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woolworths sucks anyhow. it's madness buying singles from there. they're not a specialised music shop, so you can't blame them for not stocking singles that won't chart well. they'd be more interested in maintaining a profit, instead of providing cds that are likely to not be sold, can't blame them really. if shops like virgin/hmv don't stock the singles though, then that's different and wrong. can never imagine woolworths being my shop of choice ever though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric the half a bee wrote:
Wanna see something really boring?:

Nah, it was interesting. I should've figured that "high" in that context denotex excellence rather than altitude.

Did they have the singles at the gig last night? I had a quick glance and couldn't see them, otherwise I would've picked them up. It seemed odd you could buy the Adem album but not TDC singles.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woollies stock a shedload of really bad CD's. I dunno what the rest of the UK is like, but they've got a whole shelf devoted to £2.99-£4.99 "best of" CD's from the likes of Bucks Fizz and Kajagoogoo. I don't think I've ever seen anyone even go near the shelf.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

airboy paul wrote:
can never imagine woolworths being my shop of choice ever though.

I don't think it would be anyone's choice. But not everyone is lucky enough to live next door to a virgin. Err that came out all wrong...
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if a place doesn't have a virgin in it (like dundee, o-ho!! they do have a virgin megastore though) or a hmv or whatever proper music shop, then it is probably a small kinda place. and therefore the chances that there will be people who want to buy these small unlikely-to-chart singles is likely to be a lot less, and so no stocking of them. maybe the solution is to see if you can pre-order cds from them before the release date, or just the internet i guess. or wait til you go on holiday to laahhnndan or somet.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm close enough to London that I go there most weekends. But it still sucks that I can't go and find the sinlges I want during my lunchtime on weekdays.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

airboy paul wrote:
woolworths sucks anyhow. they'd be more interested in maintaining a profit, instead of providing cds that are likely to not be sold


They can't even seem to do that though, as anyone unlucky enough to have shares will tell you. So that makes them DOUBLY TARDED...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drykid wrote:
I was just thinking the other day that the independent high street record store seems to be just about extinct these days, killed off by the big chains and supermarkets, I assume...


It's a very sad state of affairs. When I lived in South Wales the only independent in town closed down after limping along for many years, having provided me with umpteen excellent recommendations. While I was at Uni in Leeds I noticed a couple of shops go under, or alter quite drastically. It's clearly harder and harder for them to compete when shops like Music Zone and Woolies are doing £5 each for any old crap, thus diverting people to spend their disposable income there. So many people that used to head off for a browse in their local independent record shop are now buying things elsewhere. The massive adverts for sales in Virgin and HMV that are in the paper every few weeks demonstrate the fierce high street war for sales that's happening right now.
I grudgingly order from the internet when it's notably cheaper. For example HMV's website offers a discount on new release stuff and very reasonable postage rates. I imagine hmv.co.uk and Amazon are two of the selected online retailers, btw.
However, when it comes to wanting to be elbow deep in vinyl or surrounded by a wealth of hard to find indie stuff then you can't beat your independent. I'll be truly sad if they go. Here in Nottingham we have probably my all time favourite in Selectadisc, which is also on Berwick Street in London, which stocks craploads of vinyl and oodles of obscure cds. It's cheap, well-stocked and well informed. The sad fact that it's only music obsessives shopping in these places now is depressing. They used to be where people went to buy their music, full stop. But now you can buy your latest Katie Melua drivel with your weekly shop. Factor in the growth of DVDs, discount books and the internet and people's interest in records full stop is on the decrease.
As a result most of the best independents are in cities because, as has been said on this thread, smaller towns just don't have enough music fanatics to make their existance profitable.
I remember Nick Hornby highlighting a record shop called 'Wood' in '31 Songs' that was in a district of London that was suffering. Since then it's shut much to Hornby's chagrin. There's not a great deal we can do. We already shop there if we can, it's just that so many others no longer do.
It's all rather sad.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gaz James wrote:
However, when it comes to wanting to be elbow deep in vinyl or surrounded by a wealth of hard to find indie stuff then you can't beat your independent. I'll be truly sad if they go. Here in Nottingham we have probably my all time favourite in Selectadisc, which is also on Berwick Street in London, which stocks craploads of vinyl and oodles of obscure cds. It's cheap, well-stocked and well informed. The sad fact that it's only music obsessives shopping in these places now is depressing. They used to be where people went to buy their music, full stop. But now you can buy your latest Katie Melua drivel with your weekly shop. Factor in the growth of DVDs, discount books and the internet and people's interest in records full stop is on the decrease.

I used to visit Nottingham quite a lot, and it was always very good in that respect. That one street off the main square that has (or used to have, anyway) 3 independent shops on (I assume one of them was Selectadisc, but I can't remember the names) was always the first place I went to. I'm glad there's at least one place still left there, anyway.

As far as London is concerned, I'm as guilty as anyone for just heading straight to Oxford St. and doing the same old HMV - Virgin - Tower Records routine. I really should check out some of the more interesting places. I need to go and have a look if that copy of "Lucy" mentioned before is still around, so that might be an excuse to try it this weekend Smile

I know there's always the internet, but as you say, sometimes you just want to go and sift through records, look at sleeves, and see what you can find. And it's just not the same thing online. But the days of being able to do that in most high streets around the UK seem to be long gone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drykid wrote:


As far as London is concerned, I'm as guilty as anyone for just heading straight to Oxford St. and doing the same old HMV - Virgin - Tower Records routine. I really should check out some of the more interesting places. I need to go and have a look if that copy of "Lucy" mentioned before is still around, so that might be an excuse to try it this weekend Smile


Firstly, you're a swine for being in a position to at least try to get that Lucy 7". I tried ringing their vinyl floor a few times to no avail. Good luck to you, the Notting Hill MVEs are fabulous and dangerously tempting.
Secondly, if you go nowhere else when exploring go to Berwick Street, it has Sister Ray, an MVE, Selectadisc, Mister Cd, some fantastic soul/funk stores and other stuff too. It's ace.
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