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auteur55



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:26 pm    Post subject: absent friends - 23? Reply with quote

Ok so which one of you didn't buy the album? What a shoddy chart position. Shame, such a brilliant, wonderful album. We place some of the blame on the blunderingly idiotic press.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been in the new album section of the music shops and websites I've been on, so it's not like it couldn't be found.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that really all it managed? Bloody hell. Music in this country is dead!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The important thing is the people who wanted it get it. Others can buy what they want. "Hey ya, heeeeeyyy yaa....." will be on the radio for the time being it seems, unless you turn Radio 1 off now Mark and Lard have gone, as I have.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey, that really is all it managed. Bloody hell. I'm amazed! Truly amazed!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what this means - More people bought R Kellys greatest hits this week than the new Divine Comedy album! Well, he does put the 'R' in 'R and B'...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More to the point, 'Regeneration' was considered a commercial failure yet it charted higher than No. 23 (didn't it?). Could this be a very bad sign where Neil and Parlophone are concerned?

It's official: the Irish have considerably better taste than the British!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many did the other albums sell?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anywhere online that shows the album chart? I didn't think they'd be updated till seven or summat..
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know 'Secret History' got to No. 3. 'Fin' got into the Top 10. And I think everything since 'Casanova' made the Top 20.

I'm gutted! It deserves better.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 'second highest new entry' on this weeks Album chart deserves a big 'well done Neil!!'
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip wrote:
Is there anywhere online that shows the album chart? I didn't think they'd be updated till seven or summat..


http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/top40/albums.shtml

Bloody Will sodding Young is still in the Top 10! There's something wrong with this country!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that the album chart will in no way reflect online sales of the CD. Sales could actually be very respectable, but if they are via online sites as opposed to your high street HMV/Virgin, they won't show up on standard charts.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top 40 Albums (04/04/2004)


TW LW Title Artist Label
1 ( ) Anastacia Anastacia Epic
2 (3) Greatest Hits Guns N' Roses Geffen
3 (1) Confessions Usher Arista
4 (2) Patience George Michael Aegean
5 (5) Call Off The Search Katie Melua Dramatico
6 (6) Feels Like Home Norah Jones Blue Note
7 (4) Fly Or Die Nerd Virgin
8 (8) Friday's Child Will Young S
9 (7) His Greatest Love Songs Engelbert Humperdinck Umtv
10 (22) Scissor Sisters Scissor Sisters Polydor
11 (17) Folklore Nelly Furtado Dreamworks
12 (11) Elephunk Black Eyed Peas A&M
13 (9) The Jukebox Years Daniel O'donnell Dmg Tv
14 (15) The Singles 1992-2003 No Doubt Interscope
15 (12) Twentysomething Jamie Cullum Ucj
16 (18) Speakerboxxx/The Love Below Outkast Arista
17 (25) Come Away With Me Norah Jones Parlophone
18 (21) Final Straw Snow Patrol Fiction/Polydor
19 (23) Permission To Land Darkness Must Destroy
20 (16) The Best Of Leann Rimes Curb/London
21 (32) The College Dropout Kanye West Roc-A-Fella
22 (19) Thank You Jamelia Parlophone
23 ( ) Absent Friends Divine Comedy Parlophone
24 (14) Just For You Lionel Richie Mercury
25 (26) Life For Rent Dido Cheeky
26 (10) Me And Mr Johnson Eric Clapton Reprise
27 (13) Ultimate Manilow Barry Manilow Arista
28 ( ) Honkin' On Bobo Aerosmith Columbia
29 ( ) The Best Of Housemartins Go Discs
30 (24) When It Falls Zero 7 Ultimate Dilemma
31 ( ) Dead Letters Rasmus Universal
32 ( ) Damita Jo Janet Jackson Virgin
33 ( ) Bootleg Series - Vol 6 Bob Dylan Columbia
34 (34) Three Sugababes Island
35 (28) Get Born Jet Elektra
36 (35) Franz Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand Domino Recordings
37 (33) In The Zone Britney Spears Jive
38 (39) The Diary Of Alicia Keys J
39 (30) The Berry Vest Of Gilbert O'sullivan Emi
40 (31) Seven Enrique Iglesias Interscope
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i actually own that will young album. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the link!

and..

>I think 'second highest new entry' on this weeks Album chart deserves a
>big 'well done Neil!!'

I agree.. Topped Aerosmith, The Housemartins Best Of, Janet Jackson and Bob Dylan.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, people should be allowed to buy what they want shouldn't they? If that's not DC, then fair enough. Maybe not that many people wanted to buy it! Obviously it could have been promoted differently regarding airplay as so on but it comes down to what people want to buy.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sx wrote:
Top 40 Albums (04/04/2004)
TW LW Title Artist Label
13 (9) The Jukebox Years Daniel O'donnell Dmg Tv


Hehe, I've seen the ads for this one on TV and they're roll-worthy. Very Father Teddy.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Witch wrote:
Don't forget that the album chart will in no way reflect online sales of the CD.


Which is why online sales desperately need to be taken into account! Whether it sold a lot online or not, it's the chart position that success is judged by in the public's eyes, and that drives future sales.

Ah, this makes me angry.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Nude wrote:


[color=black]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/top40/albums.shtml


Oops, sorry My Nude !!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

23? That's bollocks. Utter pants. Complete wank.

Well I bought mine from a real shop so it's not my fault.

Remember though, album charts can go up as well as down.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolute Power wrote:
Remember though, album charts can go up as well as down.


Unfortunately for a band of TDC's nature that's pretty unlikely. Especially as albums only really tend to increase sales when they hit the Top 20 and word of mouth spreads. Boo!

I know by its very nature Absent Friends is quite a niche product, but its first week sales should have charted higher than No. 23 - all the previous albums have.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the chart position has got a lot to do with the lack of advertising etc for the album. I would have never known it was being released other than the fact that I trawl through the future releases on Amazon when I'm bored at work! I think a lot of previous fans of the band probably went off them after the last album, and I have to say a lot of people I've talked to about it didn't even think The Divine Comedy still existed.
One last thing, does anyone know if supermarket sales count to the totals, as I bought a real copy from Asda, even though I've had the promo for weeks.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was promoted on Radio 2 a fair bit, but it seems that these days unless you get the full backing of either Wogan or Parkinson (or both) it doesn't make much difference!

Radio 1 completely snubbing The Divine Comedy must hurt sales at the end of the day, sad though that is.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrQuincy wrote:
I have to say a lot of people I've talked to about it didn't even think The Divine Comedy still existed.


I kept encountering this before Absent Friends was released. If I ever got chatting to people about what music I liked, and mentioned The Divine Comedy, they'd say "Oh, yeah. They're finished now, aren't they?/Didn't they break up?/Wasn't their last record six years ago?" But as soon as a record was in a prominent place in the shops again, over here (with Neil's photo saying "Yoohoo! It IS me!" on the cover), the general public seems to have picked up on DC's continued existence and bought it. Because I honestly haven't heard it getting that much airplay in Ireland, either, outside of the 'alternative radio' slots. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lilypod wrote:
But as soon as a record was in a prominent place in the shops again...


I'm not sure there was much evidence of that over here. Most shops seemed to have written it off before it had even been released. I'm going to move to Ireland to be amongst people with taste!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you're there check out the irish band Wilt - they're quality. Not doing anything at the moment though.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another point about online sales not 'counting' for the chart -- remember, the record company is going to look at the bottom line (i.e. actual sales) much more seriously than at the chart position in a particular country.

The charts these days only reflect one portion of sales and it's largely meaningless in terms of actual numbers sold. Plenty of artists (particularly those with longevity) don't have high chart positions, but they shift units (e.g. Aimee Mann -- dare I mention Scott Walker?).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right of course Ms Boyd, but I still wanted to see it go Top 10!

Plus, we'll never actually find out how many copies it sells, which is annoying. That kind of thing seems to remain a secret in the UK. But let's hope it's enough to satisfy Parlophone.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben_W wrote:
To be honest, people should be allowed to buy what they want shouldn't they? If that's not DC, then fair enough.


Mo they ** shouldn't. If people buy effing Anastacia instead of DC, or buggering Will sodding Young, then they should be put against a wall and shot.

So there.

Welcome to another evening of tolerance at Casa If...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Will Young song was alright... but I couldn't stomach an entire album. The 'Leave Right Now' one. I don't like looking at him either.. that chin, and he's got a bit too much of the Jamie Oliver about him when he talks too. The tongue I mean, not the accent.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prepare yourselves; I'm about to rock the boat here..

I don't think 23 is all that bad. In fact, I'm pleasantly surprised. It probably should have placed a little higher when you take into consideration all the positive reviews it's received, but I bet 90% of the people who still occasionally buy CDs don't even read music magazines anymore. Let's face it, nobody buy CDs anymore, and when they do, they buy crap. I honestly didn't think it would even crack the top 40!

Counting online sales would help, but probably not as much as you think. The majority of people still buy CDs in shops, at least here in America.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice tolerant post there from If...

If you want to buy an album, buy it. If you don't, don't. Thats the way it goes, it's the way it should be. It sometimes seems like the world's gone mad but if you want to buy R Kelly, Busted, McFly, Blue or whoever, enjoy it.
If you prefer proper music, enjoy it as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right Ben. Sad as it is for us, the public have spoken.. I work in a music shop and I gave up on passing judgement on what people buy years ago. What ever floats your boat.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do sales at supermarkets count towards chart places? because a lot of people I know who buy music tend to get cds from tesco and the likes when they do their shopping, rather than going into town to buy it.
That or they buy from play.com, where AF is 12 in the Play chart
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think 23 is all that bad as a chart placing... as much as I LOVED Regeneration, I think it confused some of the public and people may now be feeling cautious & waiting for another single before making up their mind to purchase. I also think CHBB is a fairly weak advert for what is an album of great depth, and I know quite a few people who feel it's just a poor relation to Nat Express, for example.

It is the 2nd highest new entry, after all, and further singles should help sales of the album, which I think may be a slow burner... (sales will also be helped by the bargain bin, and 2 for £20 etc etc.. of course), although it's unlikley the album will get any higher than 23 now.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing about album charts as well is that they're not like singles charts.

They are more fluid and things which start low can work their way up - or even hover around the mids for quite a while.

In the singles top 40 - you start high and then drop.

The performance of an album is very rarely judged by labels on its entry position, but how sales figures are in the long run.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice CHBB has dropped out of the Top 40 too Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

23 is pretty poor but when the lead-off single fails to make the top 20, it's only to be expected.

the whole Absent Friends campaign really reminds me of Suede's final album. they put out a single which sounded like it was written for Radio 2, and pretty much only Radio 2 played it (don't even think Virgin played it).

TDC really needed a song which was edgy, clever, a bit naughty (SFTW), or at least quite thoughtful (GS, LWYD) and Billy Bird was none of those things so it's not surprising the indie and 'yoof' stations ignored it.

hopefully the album can be rescued by future singles. I think the title track is the most rousing so maybe that would be the one to go for...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's better news.

http://www.virginradio.co.uk/music/albumchart/

http://www1.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/navigate.do?ctx=-1;1;-1;-1&pPageID=1015

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/static/-/music/amazon-chart/ref=cs_nav_sn_5/026-7670402-1122016

Where the bleedin ell did they get 23 from? It's a conspiracy I'm sure of it.
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