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Lazarus



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:28 am    Post subject: ABSENT FRIENDS : BBers rating Reply with quote

(subject to change with the passing of time)

Absent friends - 9.5
Sicks & stones - 9
Leaving today - 8.5
CHBBird - 8
My imaginary friend - 7.5
Wreck of the beautiful - 4
Our mutual friend - 9.5
The happy goth - 8.5
Freedom road - 8.5
Laika's theme - 3
Charmed life - 8.5
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll let you know when I've heard the album. Smile

Although you give CHBB a mere 8, so if that's anything to go by, I'm gonna love the tracks I haven't heard!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:35 am    Post subject: absent friends Reply with quote

just given cd a second play and beginning to get into it , there is only one track i havent taken to yet which is track 6 wreck of the beautiful but that may come to seems to me neil has taken the feel of the album to the earlier divine feel , but i cant wait to see it played live as lots of orchestration on this album
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been listening for a few weeks so here's my ratings:

Absent friends - 9
Sicks & stones - 7
Leaving today - 5
CHBBird - 6
My imaginary friend - 7
Wreck of the beautiful - 4
Our mutual friend - 5
The happy goth - 5
Freedom road - 9
Laika's theme - 4
Charmed life - 8

For me there is not one single track which makes me think "Brilliant" whereas on the previous albums virtually all of the songs just blow me away!!....A CRASHING disappointment!!...sorry kids!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's difficult to give something a rating from 1 to 10 without knowing what 1 is in the scale of DC goodness. Are we comparing it to anything other song. In which case, what's 10? Let It Be? Imagine? Bohemian Rhapsody? And what's 1? Anything by Blazing Squad? Or are we comparing it to any other DC song. It's all opinion and what does it matter.

However.

I give all the tracks a 9 apart from Sticks and Stones, CHBB, The Happy Goth and Wreck of the Beautiful which I'd give a 10.

Bet not one of you agrees.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 'Andrew Lloyd Webber' moment in Leaving Today is a bridge too far.

Oo, sorry, that was crushing wasn't it?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolute Power wrote:
And what's 1? Anything by Blazing Squad?


It would be logical for Blazing Squad to represent 0 rather than 1, since by placing them at 1 it implies that it's possible to give something a lower rating than Blazing Squad. Which is of course nonsensical. Nothing else could be that bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The scale to me from 1 to 10 is compared to the overall TDC discography & its standards.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Neil is obviously incapable of producing anything that could be described as rubbish, would a score of 1 put it on a par with Neil being silent?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking this, whilst enduring 'Idaho' in the car yesterday.. (CD running, remote control on the passenger seat, arm stretch needed to skip the track, all far too much bother).

Essentially - even though that version of Idaho is dreadful, it's still better than 90% of the stuff I'd hear if I switched the radio on. I.e Some DC is better than most of everything else, regardless of how poor it is by Neil standards.

I'd give CHBB a 7 on overall DC'ness... I'll contribute more when I've got my grubby mitts on the rest, in their completeness, in the morning.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure I can do this as I'd end up giving half of them top marks and then everyone would think I'm some sort of zealous simpleton.

But let's say that Absent Friends, Billy Bird, My Imaginary Friend, The Wreck Of The Beautiful, Our Mutual Friend, The Happy Goth, Laika's Theme and Charmed Life are some of my most favourite DC tracks of all. And the others are damned lovely, too.

Possibly Neil's most balanced and beautiful work to date.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drykid wrote:
Absolute Power wrote:
And what's 1? Anything by Blazing Squad?


It would be logical for Blazing Squad to represent 0 rather than 1, since by placing them at 1 it implies that it's possible to give something a lower rating than Blazing Squad. Which is of course nonsensical. Nothing else could be that bad.


Good point. We'll put them at zero, just below the howl you get if you put a microphone too near an amplifier it's plugged into, the noise you get whilst scraping your nails down a blackboard and the sound of a dentist's drill.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolute Power wrote:
Good point. We'll put them at zero, just below the howl you get if you put a microphone too near an amplifier it's plugged into, the noise you get whilst scraping your nails down a blackboard and the sound of a dentist's drill.


I'm not sure the first one is that bad (and it would probably be close to a 10 for Jesus and Mary Chain fans), but the other two are pretty insufferable in a Blazing Squad kind of way, yeah.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah! My favourite track is now a tossup between Freedom Road and Laika's Theme, neither of which appear to be scoring highly at the moment.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure about Freedom Road, it nearly turns into 'I Believe In Father Christmas' by Greg Lake at one point, but it's okay, reminds me of Timestretched. I think Laika's Theme is amazing. So simple but very moving.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was surprised to see such low scores for Laika's Theme. It's lovely! I can imagine offers of film score work flooding in for Neil after this.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Nude wrote:
I can imagine offers of film score work flooding in for Neil after this.


Or telly. A particular telly. Starting next year.

Yes Yes
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gilderoy Lockheart wrote:
Mr Nude wrote:
I can imagine offers of film score work flooding in for Neil after this.


Or telly. A particular telly. Starting next year.

Yes Yes


This particular telly?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gilderoy Lockheart wrote:
Or telly. A particular telly. Starting next year.

Yes Yes


I'd need to be pinched repeatedly in rude places if that happened, just to make sure it wasn't some perfect dream. Aah... that'd be sweet.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give every track a lovely nine, except charmed life which gets a ten. And is Come Home Billy Bird number 1 yet?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I'm gonna be in the minority here but I've just listened to "Idaho" and I like it more than all of "Absent Friends"
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cannedsoup wrote:
I think the 'Andrew Lloyd Webber' moment in Leaving Today is a bridge too far.


I've noticed that too. I quite like it though.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Nude wrote:
Yeah, I was surprised to see such low scores for Laika's Theme. It's lovely! I can imagine offers of film score work flooding in for Neil after this.


I was only a song and a half in to listening to Absent Friends for the first time on Friday night when I started wondering when he'll do his first film score. It jumped out at me much more so than on previous albums. Actually, for anyone wondering when/if he'll ever do a score, Dave Fanning asked him that question back during an interview on the Regeneration promo trail, and Neil Hannon's answer was that if he ever did do a film score, he'd probably get far too caught up in it and neglect the band/pop aspect of Divine Comedy. But given that he no longer has a permanent band lineup, and given some of the themes on Absent Friends, I'm wondering if a film score would come sooner now rather than later.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that he once said that he'd so some soundtrack work if he could find a film that he felt strongly about enough to contribute to. He also suggested that he was having scripts sent to him, though this was a few years back.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I remember that quote in interviews, too. God, I hope he keeps that attitude, because my blood runs cold at the thought that he'd end up scoring for something like Crush. It sullied the melody of 'Perfect Lovesong' and that was bad enough.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DVD of Crush is on sale in Fopp at the moment for £3 and even the prospect of a DC song at the end has stopped me buying it. It looks awful.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect Lovesong features in a film? When did that happen?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats why the release of the Perfect Lovesong single was delayed from a nice summery release date to the middle of winter - to conincide with the release of the film, which I think they film might not have even ended up in the cinemas!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've yet to see Shooting Fish either. Is it worth it?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benny J wrote:
It looks awful.


It's one of the worst films I've ever sat through.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooting fish has one of the funniest moments i can remember seeing on film, even if as films go it's only 'good', not 'very good' or 'whoop! brilliant'. do watch it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil wrote:
thats why the release of the Perfect Lovesong single was delayed from a nice summery release date to the middle of winter!


I did wonder why Perfect Lovesong was released in what, October, when it's such a summery kind of song. That backfired a bit, didn't it?

And is there a Divine Comedy song in Shooting Fish, too?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, there's another film featuring a Divine Comedy song that I've never seen mentioned when people are talking about the films in which DC songs feature, and that's Janice Beard, 45 w.p.m.. It uses the 'babababa' part of 'National Express' as a kind of leitmotif for one of the characters. It's pretty bad as well, but it's one of those films that you get the impression lost its way, as opposed to should-never-have-started-out-on-its-way.

Others featuring a DC original song:
Those Who Love Me Can Take The Train - Features 'Timewatching'.
When Brendan Met Trudy - 'In Pursuit Of Happiness' features twice.

Both those are worth watching. I loved that first film and the second one is very likable.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Lily! I love discovering films I've never heard of... especially French ones!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in response to the shooting fish question, yes - In Pursuit of Happiness features on the closing credits.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Stilton! I'm learning lots today.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absent friends - 10
Sticks & stones -10
Leaving today - 10
CHBBird - 0 (what the frrriggg)
My imaginary friend - 10
Wreck of the beautiful -10
Our mutual friend - 10
The happy goth - 10
Freedom road - 9
Laika's theme - 9
Charmed life - 10
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absent friends - 10
Sicks & stones - 8
Leaving today - 8
CHBBird - 7
My imaginary friend - 6
Wreck of the beautiful - 7
Our mutual friend - 10
The happy goth - 6
Freedom road - 6
Laika's theme - 5
Charmed life - 9
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyone notice the similarity of sticks and stones to scot walkers 'rosemary' .....which was an amazing song to start with
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: ABSENT FRIENDS : BBers rating Reply with quote

Absent Friends - 9
Sticks and Stones - 9 for the verse, 1 for the chorus
Leaving Today - 8
Come Home Billy Bird - 8
My Imaginary Friend - 7 (could've been 8 but for that dreadful banjo patch)
Wreck of the Beautiful - 11
Our Mutual Friend - 9
The Happy Goth - 7
Freedom Road - 1
Laika's Theme - 0 (not necessarily because it's bad, just because it's a nothing track)
Charmed Life - 7

Probably the best thing he's done since 'Prom'.
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