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epiphone



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:30 pm    Post subject: The Songs That We Sing Reply with quote

I have become a little obsessed with this song recently. First thought I came across it on youtube, with Neil and Charlotte Gainsbourg doing it live with a band. But then I realised that I had already heard it - of course it's on the French bonus cd that comes with BGTK.

I was then even more interested when I saw on the credits that Neil and Jarvis Cocker had both co-written it.

Can anyone tell me the history of this song - was it written specifically for Charlotte Gainsbourg's album, or does it have an earlier genesis that that? Have Jarvis and Neil written anything else together? Who first recorded this song? It reminds me of the kind of song that Marianne Faithfull would record - very interesting lyrics, and quite a compelling tune too! They aren't particularly Hannonesque lyrics in my opinion.

Any comments more than welcome!
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nobody's baby



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that they wrote it for Charlotte's album specifically. I know that both Neil and Jarvis worked with Air before too but I believe they wrote a song each, not together.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the begining Charlotte was working with Air and Nigel on the album in the studip.

As they needed some help for the lyrics, Nigel actually called Neil who came a few days in Paris and wrote the 2 songs on the album. He may also have played them as he's credited on guitar.

But, he couldn't stay long as he was working on other project, but with luck Jarvis - who was looking for a studio for his debut solo album - came in the studio. The band asked him to help them, and he wrote or re-wrote the songs.
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epiphone



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent - thanks for your help with throwing some light on the background to this project. Smile
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fredthe3rd



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they didn't technically write it together? (technically) - bit disappointing...

I was very excited about this collaboration as Pulp are my favourite band (sorry!) and The DC's constantly fighting it out for second place with Eels.

Great song.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:19 am    Post subject: In the Red Corner... Reply with quote

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The DC's constantly fighting it out for second place with Eels.



Now there is a fight I would pay to see! Smile (Although it might be an anti-climax, after all 'no man need bother, except on the stage')

But who would be the referee?...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eels the band not eels the slithering creature I should maybe point out in case anyone's in any doubt... Neil would be a gentleman boxer but E looks like a bit of a scrapper especially with that beard.

Ten points for anyone who can spot the weird similarity between my three favourite bands. (sorry for going off topic)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fredthe3rd wrote:
Ten points for anyone who can spot the weird similarity between my three favourite bands. (sorry for going off topic)


Glasses !!






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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: In the red corner Reply with quote

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Neil would be a gentleman boxer


I'd thought rapiers at dawn would be the weapon of choice - 'en garde!' and may the sharpest wit win! (NH for sure)

Jarvis as referee perhaps? Wink

also - similarity between bands, cool glasses
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's good but it's not the one.
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fredthe3rd



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and it's not beards either. Consider the full span of each bands existence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Aaargh! Reply with quote

Consider the full span of each bands existence

Years in existence - I think - are

Pulp 24 (1978- 2002, 2011 - present)

Eels - depending on who you ask - 20 (1991 - present)

DC - 22 (ignoring 'October', I think)

My head is spinning - is this some kind of wierd mathematical progression? - or just that they are two/four years apart despite the fact that Pulp were formed 15 years before DC?

It's worse than one of those maths questions in school - the ones that went along these lines:

"If two men fill a bath with baked beans in Manchester how long does it take ten small boys with teaspoons travelling from Windsor to empty it ?"

Please, please, tell me and put me out of my misery!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've all got just one constant member.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks - feel a bit silly now. Embarassed
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fredthe3rd



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to think of eels and DC as more like solo artists - don't know if that's accurate though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That I think may be a can of worms - arguably (I may be shot for heresy - or subjected to the comfy chair) DC was a band in the more conventional sense until after whatever happened after 'Regeneration ' happened. It's certainly true now though.

So far as Eels are concerned I think you're right.

The band 'years in existence' bit is odd though (may be useful in a pub quiz at some point so I'm glad I worked it out). The fact that Pulp has been around since the late 70's makes me feel a bit ancient to say the least.

Never mind, Jarvis is one of the coolest human beings on the planet (NH being another Smile ) so there may be hope yet!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that members of Pulp seemed to just come and go naturally in the early days. E from Eels seems to be quite ruthless in getting rid of people. What's the situation with Neil? I know something happened with the record label firing the band or something? Has he just been more or less solo since then?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't really know Fred - A Short Site cites financial difficulties after 'Regeneration' failed to do as well as the record co. expected (and is about as well informed as anyone I think).

NH described DC as 'broken' at about that time - which sounds a lot messier than 'oh ****, that didn't go as well as we hoped - time for a break until the finances recover'

That said some of the usual suspects seem to show up on subsequent albums on and off so maybe it was just the dosh??

Hmmm... speculation about old recordings/albums - what we really need is a new one!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's your point? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greenthumb wrote:
So what's your point? Confused


Not to worry, all deleted now Smile A naughty spammer had got through!

Holly
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:21 am    Post subject: 'Naughty spammer' Reply with quote

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A naughty spammer had got through!


With or without Viking helmet? (just had a Python moment) Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: 'Naughty spammer' Reply with quote

Greenthumb wrote:
Quote:
A naughty spammer had got through!


With or without Viking helmet? (just had a Python moment) Smile



Laughing

He did talk about spam a lot!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce, garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and a fried egg on top and Spam’’


'I don't like Spam!!!'

but then, who does? [Can't you tell I should be working?]

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