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drykid
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| andy wrote: | | TBH, Indie disco has potential to be the new Daddy's Car. It's the same kinda tune. I'm not saying it should be the same, but it has the same kinda vibe. A good little song that's more than a filler but less than a standout track. |
Well I wouldn't describe "Your Daddy's Car" as less than a standout, so there's a big difference there.
| Quote: | | And Neil has never released a bad album |
I don't think I'd disagree with that. But I also don't think you could argue that some are significantly better than others.
The more I look at the sleeve the stranger it seems. If - as I can only assume - he's meant to be portraying some kind of jovial English eccentric (And yes, I know he isn't actually English), then why the glazed expression and outstretched-arms pose? He looks more like he's auditioning as an extra for a George Romero zombie flick. Odd. |
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Gin Soaked Michael
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| drykid wrote: | | andy wrote: | | TBH, Indie disco has potential to be the new Daddy's Car. It's the same kinda tune. I'm not saying it should be the same, but it has the same kinda vibe. A good little song that's more than a filler but less than a standout track. |
Well I wouldn't describe "Your Daddy's Car" as less than a standout, so there's a big difference there.
| Quote: | | And Neil has never released a bad album |
I don't think I'd disagree with that. But I also don't think you could argue that some are significantly better than others.
The more I look at the sleeve the stranger it seems. If - as I can only assume - he's meant to be portraying some kind of jovial English eccentric (And yes, I know he isn't actually English), then why the glazed expression and outstretched-arms pose? He looks more like he's auditioning as an extra for a George Romero zombie flick. Odd. |
I take the cover as showing a City Gent who's f*cked up, hence Bang goes the Knighthood! |
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Paul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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WOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Is it wrong that within five minutes of knowing Neil had a new album out, and knowing only the cover and title, that I'd already pre-ordered it on Play.com?!
Well, maybe yes, as I've now discovered there's a deluxe CD version!
But I find it really funny how people are trying to predict what it'll be like just from the song titles and cover.
I don't care - in my mind Neil's a genius, so whatever he's put together I'll buy it and find out what it sounds like in June (because I'm on holiday the day it comes out, damnit!)
Can't wait. And really can't wait for any tour that might accompany it. |
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drykid
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Gin Soaked Michael wrote: | | I take the cover as showing a City Gent who's f*cked up, hence Bang goes the Knighthood! |
Hmm ok; I never thought of it that way. But then why have him drinking champagne (the traditional drink of celebration)? I assume that plenty of thought has gone into the setup, and that everything depicted is there for a reason. If the idea is that he's drowning his sorrows then there are less ambiguous ways of illustrating it.
The reason I take it as being about eccentricity is that the dog is in the bath with him; I think that's fairly eccentric behaviour (at least it's not something I've ever contemplated doing...)
| Paul wrote: | | I don't care - in my mind Neil's a genius, so whatever he's put together I'll buy it |
Cool. A few more fans like you and he won't even have to make any effort at all for the next one! |
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Going Downhill Fast
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Given that album covers for The Divine Comedy are usually somewhat indicative of the music itself (nocturnal European type stuff on Promenade, cool Italian romanticism on Casanova, cold autumnal solitude on Absent Friends, etc) I can sort of see why the album cover here is causing some contention. It definitely does have a silliness to it; a kind of Richard Lester/Pythonesque zaniness that might suggest an album of 40s style after-dinner type comedy ditties in the Noel Coward tradition.
I can't really imagine a cover like that announcing an album of grinding electro-pop or yearning orchestral ballads. Anyway, like I said earlier, I'm still looking forward to hearing it, even if potential disappointment is part of the adventure. |
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drykid
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| Going Downhill Fast wrote: | | Given that album covers for The Divine Comedy are usually somewhat indicative of the music itself (nocturnal European type stuff on Promenade, cool Italian romanticism on Casanova, cold autumnal solitude on Absent Friends, etc) I can sort of see why the album cover here is causing some contention. It definitely does have a silliness to it; a kind of Richard Lester/Pythonesque zaniness that might suggest an album of 40s style after-dinner type comedy ditties in the Noel Coward tradition. |
"Style" is very much the keyword with those early sleeves; (I'm not entirely sure Neil looks as suave as he thinks he does on them, but in a sense that doesn't really matter. A lot of the songs are about aspiring to a certain kind of European stylishness / cool, so in a way the fact that he doesn't quite look like Jean Paul Belmondo or whoever, actually works to their advantage. But nonetheless the intent is there.) But this new one is more the antithesis of all that; it's about trying to intentionally appear ridiculous. So when the sleeve is such a U-turn then I don't think it should be so surprising that people might be apprehensive about where it might be leading musically.
Actually the thing the new sleeve most reminds me in terms of general tone is the cover of an old LP that my dad used to have (it might still be around somewhere):
The music on that is quite ridiculous also if I remember it correctly. Maybe that's why I'm concerned about Neil's new one  |
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The hero's only chance
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| With regards to song titles and their representation of content, my argument is "Going Downhill Fast". |
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CG
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| HollyDC - Will there be a single released before the album ? |
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Rickyboy
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I’m with the “let’s actually hear the songs before judging anything at all” camp. It seems a bit daft to be getting into a debate at this stage. For example, regarding song titles and the impression they create before actually hearing the song, when the VFTCM tracklisting was published and I saw A Lady of a Certain Age, it instantly made me think of A Woman of the World, which in turn made me think of it as a jaunty light-hearted number, perhaps even some sort of follow-up. Then I heard it for the first time at the St James gig, and it was anything but that – quite possibly, in my opinion, one of Neil’s finest ever songs.
I’m just glad there’s a new album imminent. It’s nice to get excited again about a new release. |
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Alfie Casanova
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I think it's natural to behave as we all have been. Let's face it, we're like vultures who have suddenly spotted a bit of meat far below. Entice us with song titles and we're bound to start preparing recipes. We've waited a long time to sample the delights of this record.
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Bad Ambassador
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I can definitely see why people are nervous. Personally I find the cover rather chucklesome but it does make you think novelty record...
But like someone else mentioned, The DLM cover was funny and that had some real gems on it. (The Nightwatchman is gooooorgeous)
It's obviously a very different album cover from Neil's previous output, and they have been a really good reflection of the content of the albums themselves so far so err yeah I can understand the trepidation but I think Neil's probably got some surprises on the new album and I'm looking forward to it. |
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Rickyboy
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| I have it on good authority that one of the tracks is Neil's take on this forgotten classic... |
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CG
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No 1 hit here we come |
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Alfie Casanova
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| Jesus.. he looks like a posessed Thunderbird. |
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Hannoncom
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That song has just brightened my day!  |
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toperic02
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: Spot on |
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| Twentington wrote: | | Have to admit my heart sank a bit when I saw the cover photo and the tracklisting. I'm sure there will be a gem or two on there that is up with Neil's best, but maybe I just have to understand that it isn't 1997 anymore and he's moved on from crafting achingly beautiful albums as a product in themselves, in favour of releasing a collection of fag packet ditties every time he gets to twelve. I really hope I'm wrong, four years is a long time to wait for a new album and with all the promises of wanting to 'get it right', I hope the titles are at best a red herring and the cover is such a massively ironic stab at credibility it flew way over my head. I'm clinging onto the Regen-era type font in hope. I look forward to hearing the album, but not as much as before I looked at this thread. I'm sorry to be writing negative things about DC at all, but there we go. Can't help how I feel. Prove me wrong Neilo, otherwise it might be a case of bang goes the majority of your core support that hasn't already buggered off as a result of your association with Thomas Walsh. |
I am a glass half empty sort and therefore would agree with you. It does not look good! Unlikely 'achingly beautiful' songs the likes of mutual friend, CGPOP, snowball in negative, Bath, Tonight we fly etc etc will emerge from such outer wrapping. Plus recent DLM output does NOT auger well. PLEASE prove me wrong. |
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andy
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I expect a mix between the fun songs of Promenade / Casanova kinda record.
It's gonna be huge. The Divine COMEDY is back. 
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Lologee
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Wow!!! How did I manage to miss this news!!!!!! Happy happy clap clap!
I'm happy for people to speculate if they wish, but I'm just elated that there's going to be a new album and am content to simply look forward to it. |
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Cathy W.
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| Rickyboy wrote: | | I have it on good authority that one of the tracks is Neil's take on this forgotten classic... |
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Mr Threesome
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Why does everyone seem to be dismissing this new album as a failure before it's even been heard.
Think about it - out of all the DC albums released can anyone say that 1 has been that bad, i can't. I must admit when i first heard about Regeneration i had was convinced that would be the begining of the end but how wrong could i have been. I think it has got some of neil's best work and what followed on from Regeneration just proves how great Neil is.
So come on people lets just wait till we hear some tracks, cause no doubt they will be belters
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tony_p
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i dont think anyone is dismissing it as a failure (not from a quick scan back through, anyway)
i think everyone is hugely excited about it, apprehensive, not wanting to be disappointed - but not dismissive
personally, i cant wait to hear it, but hope its the type of neil music i most want
and i hope they are belters, but i dont think we can say that there is no doubt about it, again because we havent heard it - neil is a genius and i adore him but hes not infallible |
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Alfie Casanova
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| It just all seems a bit gimmicky for me. That cover makes me queasy and the song titles are a bit simplistic. I mean, come on, what evokes more in your mind's eye? The words, say "Through A Long And Sleepless Night" or "Can You Stand On One Leg"? "The Summerhouse" or "The Complete Banker"?! (shudders) |
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The hero's only chance
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| Well if you're going to compare apples and horses, you might as well say Nite Flights is a terrible song because they mis-spelled Night. |
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uncleneil
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Don't judge the book by the cover.
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airboy paul
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I judge lots of books (well, cds) by their covers! It's a useful tool.
If the new tdc album makes my top 20 of the year then I'll be happy. |
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uncleneil
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| Yeah, i tend to do that too, to be honest. |
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Alfie Casanova
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| I'm sure he'll prove me wrong, I just have a default setting of forboding in pretty much everything. |
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BillGates999
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| airboy paul wrote: | I judge lots of books (well, cds) by their covers! It's a useful tool.
If the new tdc album makes my top 20 of the year then I'll be happy. |
Regeneration has one of their greatest cover art but the album itself is...well, not their best. |
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Going Downhill Fast
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| BillGates999 wrote: | | Regeneration has one of their greatest cover art but the album itself is...well, not their best. |
I've always thought the opposite. The album is great but the cover is awful. |
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tony_p
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| i quite like the cover of regeneration and the album is superb...just to be awkward... |
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Alfie Casanova
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Regeneration is a corker  Lyrically it's pretty much perfect it's just hard to find the music under the layers and layers of Godrich. |
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tony_p
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| i far prefer it to the album that preceded it... |
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Gin Soaked Michael
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| I much prefer FDS to Regeneration, and didn't like the cover either |
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Love the cover. I like "sounded good in the pub" front covers which SURELY this one must have been!
Candy shop...school kid...two tails...dog with...etc etc! |
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| Well. I'm excited about the album. I quite liked Indie Disco when I watched the YouTube video AND I like the cover. So there. |
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Phil
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| well, at first I wasn't too bothered, but I've been listening to the old Divine Comedy albums and now I'm well excited! |
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17thBeatle
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| Excited about the new album, but the cover is awful. I can see the funny side, but it will regularly appear in "Worst album covers of all time" features. Also I hope the kids at Neil's daughter's school never get to see it...! |
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If...
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| Witch wrote: | | I trust that Brian Blessed and his favourite shed are at the other end of that bath, even if they're not in shot. |
And that was my first thought too. Yay! I can't wait...
I see that people are expressing doubts already, simply on the strength of the cover and song titles. O ye of little faith...
Frankly, however, I have always thought that Neil is at his best when crafting neat little vignettes—characters and stories plucked from time and described for a few minutes.
To me, for instance, A Woman Of A Certain Age was the stand-out track on Victory... although I also like the amusing, witty little tracks such as To Die A Virgin.
Many, many bands are thoroughly excellent at writing po-faced love-songs: it is Neil's observation and wit that made DC's songs special for me.
Oh, and I'll buy the damn album and pass judgement then, personally... |
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BillGates999
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"Later we had our most successful orchestral session to date in RAK in St.John’s Wood. Knocked out the six orchestrated tunes in one day! This I put down to the excellent players (more available than usual - must be the recession), and Andrew’s exquisite arrangements. I bowed out of that area completely."
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Jonathan
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| Changing tack - any news on what deluxy bits will make the deluxe CD version deluxe? Comes with a bottle of DC bubble bath? Free Labrador? |
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